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hey everyone my name is martin willis

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thank you for listening our first guest

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today is stephen bassett and here's our

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show on skype with me in la i have the

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executive director of paradigm research

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group

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stephen bassett how you doing stephen

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i'm doing fine martin i'm glad to be

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with you yeah thanks for joining us and

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also you

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are a political um activist

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can you kind of explain exactly what

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uh position is on that well i'm not uh

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involved in the phenomenology

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of ufos i'm involved in the politics of

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extraterrestrial phenomena

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so

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i'm not a researcher

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i'm advocating for

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policy change

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uh from the government

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with respect to this phenomenon the

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current policy of the united states

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government which was actually put in

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print for the first time

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frankly uh on november 4th is that there

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is no evidence at all

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for

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an extraterrestrial not human

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intelligence engaging us

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which is of course not true

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in fact the government has been

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deliberately withholding

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information and any formal

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acknowledgement of this reality

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since the late 1940s

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as a national security policy so my job

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is to change that policy i'm part of a

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movement which is often called the

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disclosure movement and a goal of the

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the formal acknowledgement of the

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extraterrestrial presence

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by government that would be the

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disclosure event capital d until we get

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that we have not succeeded in the

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meantime we'll continue to raise public

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awareness and pursue that goal yes uh

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the one question i have

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on this thing that came to mind before i

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talked to you was if the government did

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go ahead and admit

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basically that they've been covering up

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and lying all these years

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how would they

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justify

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the tax money they've spent on say seti

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and kepler and things uh you know in

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regard of searching for extraterrestrial

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life if they've known it's been here all

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along the government has a great deal to

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huge number of questions that could be

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that policy that's one of them but

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there's plenty more but the truth of the

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matter is that they will justify this

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policy on the basis of national security

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the reason i don't call it a cover-up

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but rather have

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insisted that or made the effort to call

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it a truth embargo is that a cover-up

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implies illegality and criminality and

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it wasn't illegal

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1947 and still would have been legal

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this is clearly national security matter

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the 50s with respect to this and they

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technology is being withheld it could be

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so it's that simple now to the extent

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that the public accepts that explanation

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can you tell us now and what's going on

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forward not so much backward

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that's my belief that doesn't mean that

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it won't be awkward and it won't have

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there won't be a problem it is a serious

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public relations issue and there are

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questions to be asked but

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overall the disclosure event kind of

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overwhelms these concerns

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now do you think if if this disclosure

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uh came to fruition that it would have

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countries involved all at the same time

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something and recently the mexican

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forward with us all at the same time for

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it to work properly

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advancing the disclosure process and

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putting pressure on the united states by

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not the least of which is releasing

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thousands of files into the public

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this formal event this formal

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announcement will start with a single

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announcement without risking a leak and

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i'm sure the united states government is

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very concerned that this might leak out

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ahead of time and create a kind of media

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uh which would force their hand they

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want to do it they want to do it clean

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they want to come forward yes this is it

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here is what's going on

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or we acknowledge the ct presence we'll

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be answering questions over time

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whatever but they don't want this thing

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to sort of be messy

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another country will act first the

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united nations could do it but i do not

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to to do it it's also possible a major

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good idea so the most likely scenario is

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a single country probably the united

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acknowledge this

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to make the point and then other nations

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major country like the us these other

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nations will follow and you'll just have

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one after another confirming that

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until there's 10 or 12 or 13.

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that's all it's really going to take

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right and it'll unfold that way this is

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the most likely scenario that i see

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happening okay now wikileaks um you know

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some correlation between wikileaks and

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ufo documents and things like that but i

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what is true and what is not have you do

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you have any take on that nothing of any

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consequence regarding the et issue has

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come out of wikileaks there is

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speculation

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that they have received documents or

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they've received information

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it's very possible they have

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there were a couple of communiques that

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were included in the

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one of the major releases that they did

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that alluded to ufos in the context of i

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forget the nation involved but they were

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hardly significant

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wikileaks certainly has the potential to

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impact this issue now a great deal of

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information and documents and everything

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else has been out there for some time on

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websites all around the world um

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so wikileaks would have to come up with

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something new

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uh and and a good deal of it

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and publish it if they did

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closer to boiling without question

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but so far they haven't done it and

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i think mickey wikileaks knew that it

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was already in deep controversy of water

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from the outset and quickly made enemies

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amongst the major nations so their their

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plate was pretty full and i think that

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they probably were very concerned that

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if they were to bring out e.t stuff

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ufo-related stuff that it would

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overall credibility amongst the general

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population it would be a liability not

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an asset and there was plenty to to

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release so

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they have stayed away from this

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now of course the the governments were

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extremely angry about this and they've

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already made their counter-attacks

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against julian assange

291
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and they have tied wikileaks up a bit

292
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it's not getting the press it got it's

293
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not as active as it got they've created

294
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division

295
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uh by charging uh him with uh

296
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sex sexual misconduct in sweden right i

297
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believe those charges are utterly bogus

298
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and and that

299
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the other stuff being uh pressed at him

300
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or bogus that this is hardball this is

301
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nasty business

302
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in another time someone like julian

303
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assange would have been assassinated

304
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extremely

305
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quickly oh sure yeah but this is a

306
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different time and he he has gone very

307
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public so

308
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uh

309
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i am sure that that the ufo et issue is

310
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something that

311
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a lot of nations including the us

312
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government

313
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are very concerned could turn up on

314
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wikileaks but in order for that to

315
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happen

316
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some people are going to have to provide

317
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him a lot of or provide with illegal

318
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substantial documents that have not been

319
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seen before and if and if that would

320
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happen and they were then published

321
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there would be a

322
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definite effect uh is wikileaks capable

323
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of trigging disclosure outright not

324
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likely but they could set in motion

325
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uh some media activity that could lead

326
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to disclosure in in a period of time uh

327
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what one of the things going on right

328
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now is that

329
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documents

330
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uh

331
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relevant to the

332
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clinton administration are now

333
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accessible and are being accessed

334
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uh particularly by grant cameron the

335
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canadian researcher who has an important

336
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website presidential ufo.com

337
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uh and some of these documents could be

338
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could be helpful and relevant

339
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particularly with respect to the

340
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rockefeller initiative and

341
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foias are continuing to be filed but uh

342
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right now nothing major has come out

343
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that i'm aware of recently

344
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and the foia law is such that the

345
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government has not required to release

346
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anything it doesn't want to release

347
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so the fia

348
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is mostly just a procedural or a process

349
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law that that

350
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gives you an avenue to possibly to get

351
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some documents

352
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from government

353
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that you could also possibly get simply

354
00:12:37,030 --> 00:12:34,639
by going to the agency in question but

355
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the idea that the foia allows us to

356
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really get it get some some secret

357
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material and and and and uh

358
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controversial documents that would raise

359
00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:46,959
all kinds of important questions is

360
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bogus uh

361
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they can withhold at will under the

362
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under the guise of national security but

363
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it's better than nothing and it has been

364
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used and it has gotten documents from

365
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time to time

366
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uh there's been so many thousands of ufo

367
00:13:06,389 --> 00:13:04,320
fia filings that occasionally an

368
00:13:07,350 --> 00:13:06,399
agency will make a mistake

369
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and some will get released that

370
00:13:13,670 --> 00:13:09,839
shouldn't get released

371
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but the foia law to be truly a

372
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a public asset needs to be strengthened

373
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uh and i don't expect that anytime soon

374
00:13:24,470 --> 00:13:22,000
my normal co-host that's on the show

375
00:13:25,670 --> 00:13:24,480
couldn't be here today and he had a

376
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question

377
00:13:31,990 --> 00:13:28,639
for you he's more or less a skeptic but

378
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his question was based on if they

379
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if the government did disclose uh

380
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wouldn't there be panic as his question

381
00:13:43,829 --> 00:13:39,120
and another thing you know what would

382
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the religious implications be etc etc um

383
00:13:49,350 --> 00:13:46,399
what's your take on all that it's

384
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there's two things one a lot of this

385
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um

386
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concept of

387
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disclosure leading to panic and

388
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destruction of religion

389
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and economic systems what have you is

390
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propaganda that the government

391
00:14:04,150 --> 00:14:02,639
encouraged and probably even disbursed

392
00:14:07,030 --> 00:14:04,160
over the years to help maintain the

393
00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:07,040
truth embargo to help keep people

394
00:14:11,189 --> 00:14:09,760
satisfied with not wanting to know more

395
00:14:13,110 --> 00:14:11,199
the press from not

396
00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:13,120
engaging the issue and certainly for

397
00:14:17,829 --> 00:14:15,360
insiders not to go public

398
00:14:19,590 --> 00:14:17,839
to honor their agreements to not violate

399
00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,600
their their national security oaths and

400
00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:21,519
confidentiality agreements

401
00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:23,839
uh out of moral conscience because well

402
00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:25,440
look if you tell the truth you know

403
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:27,680
civilization will collapse

404
00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:30,079
good strategy and i think it worked the

405
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,880
second point is is that i think that

406
00:14:36,550 --> 00:14:34,720
certainly if the extraterrestrial

407
00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:36,560
presence had been

408
00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:39,360
acknowledged and almost was acknowledged

409
00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:42,000
uh in 47

410
00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:43,600
the roswell

411
00:14:46,069 --> 00:14:45,120
and people

412
00:14:48,389 --> 00:14:46,079
may not

413
00:14:49,750 --> 00:14:48,399
realize most people don't know all these

414
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:49,760
most people do not know the details of

415
00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:52,639
roswell but the fact is is that

416
00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:54,800
if only

417
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:57,120
another 24 hours had passed before they

418
00:15:01,430 --> 00:14:59,600
were able to get the second story out

419
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:01,440
i think the roswell event would have led

420
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:04,720
to disclosure right then in 1947 because

421
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:06,320
quite a few reporters would have made

422
00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:07,519
their way to roswell and started

423
00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:08,639
interviewing witnesses and there were

424
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:10,560
quite a few and

425
00:15:15,350 --> 00:15:11,920
i don't think they could have contained

426
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:15,360
the story so it was a very close call

427
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:18,720
if this had come out in 47 it would have

428
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:20,320
been a challenge

429
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,600
to

430
00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:23,519
amer american society let's just let's

431
00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:25,680
just focus on the united states uh

432
00:15:29,110 --> 00:15:26,720
clearly

433
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:29,120
it would have been stunning uh it would

434
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:31,040
have been concerning plus would just

435
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:33,120
come out of a war

436
00:15:37,590 --> 00:15:34,639
and people would have been in that

437
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:37,600
mindset okay well is this the new enemy

438
00:15:40,870 --> 00:15:38,560
are we gonna have to fight the

439
00:15:42,389 --> 00:15:40,880
extraterrestrials now uh it would have

440
00:15:44,389 --> 00:15:42,399
been a bit more challenging on the other

441
00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:44,399
hand the american people had just gone

442
00:15:46,550 --> 00:15:45,360
through

443
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,560
a long

444
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:48,399
massive war

445
00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:51,910
stood up

446
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:54,880
they handled that um

447
00:15:57,269 --> 00:15:55,680
so

448
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:57,279
i i you know they're pretty resilient

449
00:16:00,470 --> 00:15:58,800
this was a time in america was pretty

450
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:00,480
resilient in my view

451
00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:02,720
a little less complicated i i i think

452
00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:04,160
that frankly they would have handled it

453
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,160
a fine religion

454
00:16:10,790 --> 00:16:08,480
is going to be fine it's it's not going

455
00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:10,800
anywhere uh it's been around a long time

456
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:13,199
and it's very it's somewhat adaptable

457
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:14,480
certainly

458
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,800
so i've always stated that i think

459
00:16:19,590 --> 00:16:18,480
religious memberships will go up after

460
00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:19,600
disclosure

461
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:21,680
but at the time that the truth embargo

462
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:22,399
was

463
00:16:29,189 --> 00:16:27,040
it would given the fact that this this

464
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:29,199
idea of extraterrestrials was

465
00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,480
very much

466
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:33,120
and i make the pun deliberately alien to

467
00:16:36,949 --> 00:16:34,959
the vast majority of people in this

468
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,959
country i mean they just simply off the

469
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:39,199
outside their their spectrum would have

470
00:16:43,749 --> 00:16:41,279
been a shock uh but i would make the

471
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:43,759
case that we would have adapted pretty

472
00:16:46,949 --> 00:16:45,199
quickly and

473
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,959
and we would have accepted it

474
00:16:49,509 --> 00:16:48,160
and uh

475
00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:49,519
and we would have asked our government

476
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,880
to address it and keep us informed and

477
00:16:56,069 --> 00:16:54,720
we would start to start educating

478
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:56,079
ourselves but of course the government

479
00:17:00,069 --> 00:16:57,920
had another problem it wasn't just what

480
00:17:02,150 --> 00:17:00,079
the american people's reaction would be

481
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:02,160
they had the the they were in the early

482
00:17:06,710 --> 00:17:05,280
stages of what would be the cold war and

483
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,720
they were very much concerned that there

484
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,799
could be a nuclear war with the soviet

485
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,480
union there was certainly concern there

486
00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:12,400
would be a war with the soviet union in

487
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,240
fact there were quite a few american

488
00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:16,720
military people that wanted to go to war

489
00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:19,199
with the soviet union immediately

490
00:17:23,029 --> 00:17:21,280
and it would very well be nuclear

491
00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:23,039
because they knew about the soviet

492
00:17:27,510 --> 00:17:24,160
nuclear

493
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,520
uh research how far the how the the

494
00:17:31,270 --> 00:17:29,039
progress they made

495
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,280
both in nuclear weapons as well as

496
00:17:35,190 --> 00:17:33,120
ballistic missiles so

497
00:17:37,350 --> 00:17:35,200
they had a real tough situation but this

498
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:37,360
is now 60 years later

499
00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:38,960
and uh

500
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:40,240
hundreds of films about

501
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,679
extraterrestrials

502
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:43,840
have been made some of the most popular

503
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:44,880
ever

504
00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:46,640
produced

505
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:48,080
the awareness of the issue is almost

506
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,360
universal

507
00:17:53,590 --> 00:17:52,320
the idea of an extraterrestrial is is

508
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:53,600
not even a

509
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:56,400
most people don't give a second thought

510
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:58,080
half the american people and most of the

511
00:18:02,549 --> 00:17:59,760
industrialized nations

512
00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:02,559
believe that the et's are here in fact

513
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:03,360
so

514
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:06,320
again i do not think the

515
00:18:15,430 --> 00:18:12,470
or there will be any massive

516
00:18:16,549 --> 00:18:15,440
disruption of our major institutions you

517
00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:16,559
know

518
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:19,760
the thing i believe is also there's a

519
00:18:24,789 --> 00:18:22,160
lot of people that have had a situation

520
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,799
like myself where i actually saw

521
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:26,160
something

522
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:29,919
and my first thought is i have this fear

523
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:32,000
of ridicule so i don't really talk about

524
00:18:34,630 --> 00:18:32,640
it

525
00:18:36,549 --> 00:18:34,640
and i'm wondering you know how many

526
00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:36,559
people out there have had a situation

527
00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,520
happen

528
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:39,520
that they're they feel the same way

529
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,679
because it's uh it just follows well

530
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:43,360
certainly uh

531
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:45,039
one of the key aspects of the truth

532
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,960
embargo was to

533
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,200
ridicule the phenomena

534
00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,200
ridicule the people that that addressed

535
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:53,360
the phenomena to literally ghettoize it

536
00:18:58,150 --> 00:18:56,080
i call it an intellectual ghettoization

537
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:58,160
which was very effective so that people

538
00:19:03,750 --> 00:18:59,760
would be embarrassed to talk about it

539
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:03,760
embarrassed to certainly put money into

540
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:05,840
research or activism

541
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:08,160
the press would be reluctant to cover it

542
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:10,000
this is this happens all the time in

543
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:12,160
societies uh it's a very effective tool

544
00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:13,360
of government

545
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:15,120
uh they can ghettoize people they can

546
00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:18,000
ghettoize ideas organizations

547
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,240
they can even get otherwise uh

548
00:19:23,510 --> 00:19:22,000
a whole area of science if they want to

549
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,520
it's a nasty business we should never

550
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,280
have that happen in the united states uh

551
00:19:29,430 --> 00:19:27,440
we should never have it happen again

552
00:19:30,870 --> 00:19:29,440
but that's up to the people if they if

553
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,880
they want to see that stop they need to

554
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:32,720
make their their

555
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:35,520
intentions the desires heard but

556
00:19:39,909 --> 00:19:39,120
uh it was very effective so ridicule

557
00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:39,919
kept

558
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:41,520
a great number of people pretty much

559
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:42,720
contained

560
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:46,640
uh but that's changing rapidly about

561
00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:49,039
20 of the american people when polled

562
00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:50,720
say they've had some a sighting of some

563
00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:52,799
consequence

564
00:19:59,110 --> 00:19:53,760
and

565
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,120
percent depending upon the nature of the

566
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,679
question indicate again anonymously that

567
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,360
they they believe they've had contact

568
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,360
with extraterrestrials extraordinary

569
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:07,919
number uh and of course everybody knows

570
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,559
uh what we're talking about there's 100

571
00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:12,720
cultural

572
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:13,840
awareness

573
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,400
of the idea of extraterrestrials and of

574
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:18,480
ufos so

575
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:22,799
given that it's less and less of a of a

576
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,919
peer pressure issue to come forward

577
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:28,080
however within a person's

578
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,080
personal life

579
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:31,919
uh one can definitely get some ridicule

580
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:34,400
from some family members or a friend or

581
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,919
two

582
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,679
and so uh

583
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:40,400
you can experience it but

584
00:20:46,149 --> 00:20:43,200
even then i don't think it's it's of a

585
00:20:48,310 --> 00:20:46,159
of a drastic nature because the issue is

586
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:48,320
simply too much in play now so somebody

587
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:50,080
might kid you about it they might joke a

588
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:51,120
little bit

589
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:52,559
but the idea that they would kind of

590
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,960
dismiss you as being crazy or or really

591
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,200
look down on you this is really just

592
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,600
less the case there are people coming

593
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,480
forward

594
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,080
in the entertainment industry that are

595
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:04,400
now talking about it more often uh in

596
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,840
addressing it you'll see much more of

597
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,880
that

598
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,159
and of course there have been many

599
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:09,760
witnesses

600
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,760
and government people such as astronauts

601
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,760
mitchell and cooper and others who are

602
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,080
speaking directly to it their view their

603
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,480
videos are all over youtube

604
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:20,880
uh so and other politics politicians and

605
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:23,600
others so again we're coming out of the

606
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,960
truth we're coming out of the

607
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,880
intellectual ghetto process we're coming

608
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,960
out of the truth embargo process

609
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,760
uh the truth embargo is coming apart and

610
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,840
so i i just don't think there's much

611
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:35,679
risk to anybody addressing this issue

612
00:21:40,149 --> 00:21:37,919
now there are aspects of this phenomena

613
00:21:43,029 --> 00:21:40,159
and there are theories uh

614
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,039
embedded in this phenomena or related to

615
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:45,520
it that are really outrageous and out

616
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:46,400
there

617
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,200
far enough out of the box if you get far

618
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,280
enough outside the box even with this

619
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:57,039
issue or any other issue

620
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,320
yeah you're going to get some negative

621
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,880
feedback and you could be ridiculed

622
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,480
but

623
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,000
the fundamental issue is are there

624
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,400
extraterrestrials here or not

625
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:09,200
right and that is that's pretty basic

626
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,799
it's not complicated they're here

627
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,559
they're not and the evidence is

628
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,400
overwhelming that they are

629
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,520
so if one stays close to home there and

630
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:20,159
speaks in those terms i had a sighting

631
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,039
uh

632
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:24,240
i i i may be a contact he by and large

633
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:28,000
again it's it's less less of an issue

634
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,320
now the the one thing that always seems

635
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,080
to come up in this

636
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:34,480
when people talk about this is okay you

637
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,880
know the nearest star

638
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,600
you know is what four four and a half

639
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:41,280
light years away

640
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:43,919
how how on earth you know do they get

641
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:45,280
here and i know there's all kinds of

642
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:49,360
theories on that um but um and also

643
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,480
uh we're thinking in the terms that we

644
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,400
know of course

645
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,919
uh you know where and these

646
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,080
civilizations and other

647
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,880
planets and other galaxies even you know

648
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:03,600
could possibly be a billion years

649
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:05,840
advanced because we're such a young

650
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,240
solar system in a young planet that

651
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,840
doesn't have to be a billion a thousand

652
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,360
would be more than enough yeah that's

653
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,360
true right this situation is exactly

654
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:16,000
analogous to someone making a statement

655
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,080
say back in 1850

656
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:19,600
that how could we possibly go to the

657
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,480
moon

658
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,000
right or even how could how could

659
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:23,600
someone fly

660
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,039
at high speeds hundreds of miles an hour

661
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:29,039
uh the fact is they couldn't back then

662
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,720
because they didn't have the technology

663
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:32,240
and we don't know how we could go to

664
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:33,679
another star because we don't have the

665
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:36,080
technology and these ets do it's this

666
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,600
that simple

667
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,120
um

668
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:41,279
it is the case that our current

669
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,960
understanding of

670
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:44,880
time and space is heavily relativistic

671
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:48,159
relativity dominated and the relativity

672
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:49,360
theory

673
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,960
uh seems to preclude uh travel between

674
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:55,039
uh two star systems

675
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,559
and any reasonable length of time

676
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:01,120
but even our own physics is starting to

677
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,200
show that that ain't necessarily so

678
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,919
so yeah we don't know the full we don't

679
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,440
have a full understanding of the physics

680
00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:11,600
of the cosmos

681
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,480
uh

682
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:15,039
and so the idea that it could be

683
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:16,640
physically possible to go between two

684
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:19,840
stars absolutely cannot be precluded

685
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,960
and if you if you want to test

686
00:24:27,590 --> 00:24:25,520
that that assertion that is possible to

687
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,600
go you would to one star to another in a

688
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,880
reason amount of time the first thing

689
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,720
you do would be look for evidence of of

690
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,279
any anyone doing that uh that would be

691
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:35,200
pretty obvious i mean

692
00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:36,480
it's one you know you don't you don't

693
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:38,400
necessarily have to prove how it's done

694
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:40,799
just see if it is being done and that

695
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:43,120
that makes the case and when you look

696
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,320
for evidence of visitation uh it's all

697
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:48,799
over the place now that just because

698
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,919
et's are here doesn't necessarily mean

699
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,760
that they are start that they have got

700
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:55,279
the ability to travel between star

701
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,400
systems

702
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:58,320
in a reasonable amount of time

703
00:25:02,390 --> 00:25:00,159
there is a possibility that they're

704
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,400
coming from another dimension another

705
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:05,360
parallel reality that is

706
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:07,760
nearby that doesn't even involve

707
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,520
star travel or they could come from the

708
00:25:12,789 --> 00:25:11,600
future or the past it could be time

709
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,799
travelers

710
00:25:19,269 --> 00:25:14,880
these are possibilities but they happen

711
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,279
to just be very low uh possibilities and

712
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,880
the most logical

713
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,640
the most

714
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:24,559
straightforward explanation is they come

715
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,840
from other planets i mean this is

716
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:30,159
straightforward and so either

717
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:31,679
they

718
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,120
spend enormous amounts of time in space

719
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,679
and move around over huge numbers of

720
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,200
years and centuries and millennia

721
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,640
between places

722
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,960
or they're able to get back and forth

723
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,559
using a different kind of physics that's

724
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:46,159
about what you're left with

725
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:47,440
and

726
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:50,640
i have pretty i do have some scientific

727
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,440
uh

728
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,039
training i do have a degree in physics

729
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:55,520
i'm not alien to that kind of thinking

730
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,279
uh and i i have high confidence my my

731
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:01,200
view my model for this is pretty

732
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,799
straightforward i believe there are

733
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,320
other planets that have other

734
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:07,039
civilizations like ours and that they

735
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,360
are more advanced with better technology

736
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,600
and they are in fact able to travel to

737
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,400
stars between stars and do so in a

738
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,679
manner that

739
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,760
is

740
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,880
functional

741
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:20,720
and useful

742
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,640
and that some of them are engaging us

743
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:24,480
they are visiting here

744
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:28,400
it's that straightforward uh and

745
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:31,279
uh beyond that

746
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,720
you know that's about as far as we can

747
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:34,880
go right now right i don't think it'll

748
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,360
be that long before we will know even if

749
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,440
we don't have disclosure even if the

750
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,480
et's don't provide us the explanation if

751
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:44,640
they haven't already i believe on our

752
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:47,360
own we will probably figure out

753
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,520
interstellar travel

754
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,679
within 50 years

755
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,400
wow

756
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:54,080
that would be something and i don't

757
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:56,159
doubt that the way technology

758
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,400
is just uh you know like a snowball

759
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,480
rolling downhill you know gathering all

760
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,760
the time

761
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:03,600
i want to talk a little bit about i

762
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,400
about 20 years ago i had an insurance

763
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:08,000
life insurance agent

764
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:09,919
and he was

765
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:12,640
hanging on my house one day and he i

766
00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,720
don't know how we got on the subject but

767
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,960
he brought up the fact that he was

768
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,200
involved in a special

769
00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,760
task in the air force during vietnam and

770
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:22,880
it was

771
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:30,640
blue book but i think that was

772
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,559
i think that stopped in the 60s didn't

773
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,799
it i'm not i'm not clear that was an

774
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,640
investigation program when they were in

775
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,200
quote investigating sightings

776
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,679
okay well he was involved in

777
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:44,320
he was involved in vietnam itself

778
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,120
and

779
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,000
his uh he was saying that anywhere he

780
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,760
said when they were when there was

781
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,039
napalming i don't know if you've ever

782
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,559
heard this before if anyone else has

783
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,480
ever said it but he told me when they

784
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,480
were napalming that there were sightings

785
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:57,840
all the time

786
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,840
during the napalming which is

787
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,120
unusual and he said that they were

788
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,960
attracted to you know he

789
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:04,559
that was the first time i had ever heard

790
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,080
of anything about them being attracted

791
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,960
to like nuclear arms weapons and things

792
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,919
like that

793
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,000
and he said you know i asked him the

794
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,799
question i said so you were part of this

795
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,120
task force or whatever it was

796
00:28:21,269 --> 00:28:19,919
um and i says what's what's the bottom

797
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,279
line are they really here and he says

798
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,200
yes and the government knows that and

799
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,440
this was you know 20 years ago he told

800
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,960
me that and

801
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,760
you know i've recently just got more

802
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,679
interested in this since i had a

803
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:34,080
situation happen a number of years ago

804
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,000
and one of the questions that comes to

805
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:38,480
mind for me is when you get

806
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,720
let's see in bent waters in england in

807
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:42,000
1980

808
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:43,600
when you get such

809
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,559
you get all these air force personnel

810
00:28:51,510 --> 00:28:48,960
uh and you all actually have a staff

811
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,520
sergeant i think it's uh james penning

812
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:54,320
pennington or something like that

813
00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:56,799
actually walked around the craft touched

814
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,520
it

815
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:59,200
he would as far as i know he'd probably

816
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,279
be the only one that ever touched one uh

817
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,279
and then wrote down the hieroglyphics

818
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,600
that were on it and and all that now

819
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,760
these are these are not just you know

820
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,919
random people for reciting there was

821
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,080
something like 80 people that saw this

822
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,679
within a three-day

823
00:29:17,669 --> 00:29:16,000
time period and then you know again it

824
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,679
swept under the rug the whole thing is

825
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:19,840
swept under the rug

826
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,399
a precise enough phrase

827
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,039
the fact is is that a substantial number

828
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,000
of people that serve the military

829
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:33,120
and also agencies have come forward

830
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,799
uh to testify to events and evidence

831
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:37,679
that

832
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,159
all of which is confirmatory of the et

833
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,919
presence

834
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,640
uh including a number of of uh air force

835
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,000
personnel who were involved in our

836
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:47,760
nuclear

837
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,039
deterrence

838
00:29:52,149 --> 00:29:50,640
with high classification including

839
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:52,159
people that worked at

840
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,440
sac nuclear bases uh talking about the

841
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,000
uh these craft interfering coming down

842
00:30:01,110 --> 00:29:59,520
and then interference taking place with

843
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:01,120
our nuclear weapons which is a pretty

844
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:02,480
big deal

845
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:04,399
yeah recently there was a recently there

846
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:05,919
was a press conference that effect in

847
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,440
washington uh and the major press

848
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:12,000
again skirted it they didn't

849
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,039
there was some press there was some

850
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,120
media coverage but it wasn't anywhere

851
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:16,799
near the appropriate

852
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,679
uh

853
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,000
amount and and intensity that you would

854
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,720
expect on a story like this and the

855
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,240
bentwater's case there are quite a few

856
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:25,760
witnesses that have testified there that

857
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:28,559
was another very likely another nuclear

858
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:29,520
uh

859
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,919
reflects the truth embargo the the media

860
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:38,080
went along with the truth embargo

861
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:39,360
without i think

862
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:41,919
any resistance or much resistance in the

863
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,480
40s and 50s when the media as we know it

864
00:30:47,909 --> 00:30:45,760
was

865
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,919
infant dissidents infants

866
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,200
incipient

867
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,799
the three networks haven't been around

868
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,720
for very long when roswell happens the

869
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,039
first network news broadcast of 15

870
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:56,960
minutes occurred about two weeks before

871
00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,840
roswell really wow we had our dependence

872
00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:02,240
was primarily on major newspaper dailies

873
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,760
and there were a number of papers that

874
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,360
were papers of records so if they got

875
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,120
the papers of record like the washington

876
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,679
post new york times early times on board

877
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,440
and the networks on board they they were

878
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,600
able to maintain a media containment

879
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:15,360
without any problem

880
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,000
uh the cold war ensured that the media

881
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,480
would continue to play along with the

882
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:23,360
truth embargo uh you know it wasn't hard

883
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:24,240
to

884
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:29,360
uh this issue was highly

885
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:30,840
uh

886
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,200
implicative that it were to come out it

887
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,760
would clearly be destabilizing for a

888
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:40,000
while and we have thousands of nuclear

889
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,880
warheads pointed over the poles

890
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,720
that go off at any time not to mention

891
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,880
the submarines and and so we just can't

892
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:48,960
risk it and so

893
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,559
while the cold war was underway the

894
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,880
media was totally on board

895
00:31:57,430 --> 00:31:55,039
by whatever mechanisms

896
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:57,440
some of it was simply institutionalized

897
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:01,600
or status quo but

898
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:02,960
that the truth embargo was going to be

899
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,559
maintained and so by the time the cold

900
00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:06,399
war ends in 91

901
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,960
it's really over by end of 91

902
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,440
it's it's virtually institutionalized

903
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,360
and and the media

904
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:15,039
which of course is a full generation

905
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:16,080
later

906
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,919
of reporters and editors and so forth

907
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,519
they just sort of that was the way it

908
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:21,120
was you just didn't cover this you just

909
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,360
didn't treat this seriously and so from

910
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:25,679
91 forward the media

911
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,760
was going along with it

912
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,840
as a matter of

913
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:34,640
of standard operating procedure

914
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,080
that really doesn't start to change

915
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,120
until after 2000 and then since 2000 the

916
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:40,480
media

917
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:41,600
under a

918
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:44,399
constant onslaught of new events new

919
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:47,760
research new documents new witnesses

920
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,720
slowly are coming out of their

921
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:52,000
embargo

922
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,960
uh

923
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,559
mode and and

924
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,799
are covering the issue

925
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,480
with uh

926
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,799
a little more intensity not to the point

927
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,000
that it should be covered without

928
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:04,640
question they have not broken through

929
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:06,960
but they could at any time and and right

930
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,000
now

931
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,200
one of the major uh factors in ensuring

932
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,360
that the truth embargo ends

933
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:15,360
is the fact that any and there's any

934
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:18,159
number of points in the in the media

935
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,279
spectrum

936
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:22,480
where a breakout could occur and a a

937
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,080
certain particular newspaper a

938
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,760
particular network

939
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:27,679
particular investigative group

940
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,919
would really plunge into the issue and

941
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,360
start asking

942
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:33,519
questions that are

943
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,799
been known for years decades even but

944
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,480
actually forcing those questions on to

945
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,000
government

946
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:42,240
and in the truth embargo fairly quickly

947
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:43,360
so

948
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:46,159
that's where we are right now um

949
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,600
and my my one of my principal uh

950
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:51,760
tasks from the beginning from 1996 when

951
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,519
prg was formed

952
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,519
is to keep pushing the media constantly

953
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:57,519
relentlessly

954
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,640
and letting them know that we're not

955
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,320
going away that the issue's not going

956
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,240
away and that they have not done their

957
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,679
job they have not

958
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,279
acted in the proper

959
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,720
fashion with respect to the most

960
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,560
important issue in the world

961
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:09,839
and that

962
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:11,119
one way or another they're going to have

963
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,240
to deal with it

964
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:14,240
and the sooner the better they're there

965
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,079
the war rewards will be great there will

966
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:17,760
be pulitzer prizes

967
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,320
there will be ratings increases there

968
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:22,639
will be plenty of benefits to the

969
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,639
to the media if they finally take this

970
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:26,240
issue on but

971
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,280
they haven't

972
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,520
fully engaged it yet but that could

973
00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:31,679
happen at any time

974
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,320
i was watching a youtube that you were

975
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:36,560
on i i can't remember if it's fox news

976
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,760
or what

977
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,200
it was a

978
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,200
female commentator and at the end she

979
00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:43,440
said something like after

980
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,440
they you were off

981
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,000
camera she said and he's never seen a

982
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,480
ufo himself you know like that

983
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,639
kind of like almost debunking everything

984
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,879
you just stood for and said

985
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,919
uh

986
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:57,920
and yeah the media is just not on the

987
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:00,480
side i think you know but i have seen a

988
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:04,160
few clips that the commentator at least

989
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,359
certainly is involved in it yeah

990
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,760
television is a little more

991
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,839
sensitive uh they're a little more

992
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,440
worried that

993
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:15,760
they might be tainted if they show a

994
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,880
serious

995
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:18,079
uh

996
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:19,200
approach

997
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:20,880
but there are exceptions i think larry

998
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,119
king did a number of shows which treated

999
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:26,240
this issue seriously right uh but

1000
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:28,400
did cnn did the rest of the cnn news

1001
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,480
operation follow suit did they

1002
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,200
follow up no no i was contained to king

1003
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,880
so cnn had his foot in the door but

1004
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,400
that's it wouldn't it wouldn't walk all

1005
00:35:40,230 --> 00:35:37,839
the way in

1006
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:40,240
paradigm research group has had its

1007
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,079
activities covered by

1008
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:44,880
scores of media

1009
00:35:51,069 --> 00:35:47,599
and if you go to the media archive well

1010
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,079
the the our articles archive uh at

1011
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,800
paradigmresearchgroup.org

1012
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,200
in the main prg site you can read those

1013
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:57,520
and you can follow them and overall

1014
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,760
they're it's not bad coverage is

1015
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:02,400
reasonable there are some there are some

1016
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,599
uh

1017
00:36:05,330 --> 00:36:04,640
flippant

1018
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,340
uh

1019
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,720
[Music]

1020
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,960
approaches there's some some negatives

1021
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:11,520
but in general it covered what prg's

1022
00:36:13,829 --> 00:36:12,640
been doing

1023
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:13,839
could they have covered it more

1024
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,480
absolutely and they will there will be

1025
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:17,920
more covered

1026
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,200
so it we're sort of in a

1027
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,359
we're in the tran wind transition

1028
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:25,200
the media is coming out of the truth

1029
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,720
embargo they are slowly coming out of it

1030
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,480
and i think once that process has

1031
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,200
started once that process did start it's

1032
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:35,200
almost irreversible it can't go

1033
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,720
backwards

1034
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,480
so while it's easy to get angry at the

1035
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,760
media

1036
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,680
ultimately we need them

1037
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:43,200
and they could end the truth embargo at

1038
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:44,640
any time so

1039
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,960
i try to be optimistic i encourage your

1040
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:48,000
readers

1041
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,480
there is only one book that

1042
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:52,320
specifically addressed

1043
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:53,520
the immediate connection of the truth

1044
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:54,560
embargo

1045
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:56,480
and it's uh terry hands by terry hanson

1046
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,359
he's a he's a he's a journalist

1047
00:37:01,829 --> 00:37:00,640
um

1048
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,839
and he addressed the issue in a book

1049
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:03,760
called missing times

1050
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:05,440
news media complicity in the ufo

1051
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,200
cover-up

1052
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,280
so there's a

1053
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:11,359
but somebody wants to to get a look at

1054
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:12,400
this

1055
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,520
uh

1056
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,839
read that book and

1057
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,400
just to make the point

1058
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,480
pamela the point home

1059
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,480
one of the cool

1060
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,240
and not

1061
00:37:28,630 --> 00:37:26,240
properly understood

1062
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,640
stories out there is the as how the

1063
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,880
national enquirer was founded

1064
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:33,760
and the weekly world news

1065
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:34,960
and

1066
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,960
putting this out i mean we're going prg

1067
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:40,480
is going to be making

1068
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,440
uh

1069
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,520
a point to

1070
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:44,480
to

1071
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,599
get it out there the point is the

1072
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:50,160
national enquirer was founded by a young

1073
00:37:52,950 --> 00:37:50,960
man

1074
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:52,960
who was able to get enough money and

1075
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,800
it's not clear from where

1076
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,839
to buy

1077
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:58,480
the new york inquirer

1078
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,400
uh rejigger it and then republish it as

1079
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,680
the national enquirer as a tabloid uh

1080
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,119
and

1081
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,520
very not that long after that founded

1082
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:11,520
the weekly world news and these two

1083
00:38:15,109 --> 00:38:13,040
tabloids

1084
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,119
very early on started putting stories

1085
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,119
out about the ufo issue

1086
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,440
uh and particularly the weekly world

1087
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,599
news wild and crazy stuff and bizarre

1088
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:23,599
photos and these were turning up the

1089
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:25,599
news the in the news sections of the

1090
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:27,280
grocery store stands all over the

1091
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,320
country

1092
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,800
ubiquitous and rudy oso pope was the

1093
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:32,800
gentleman that did this and rudy also

1094
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:36,320
pope did it after spending a year

1095
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,200
at the psychological ops program at the

1096
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:40,800
cia

1097
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,160
this is something people need to

1098
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,720
understand the national enquirer was

1099
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,040
created as a disinformation tool for the

1100
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:50,400
cia as was the weekly world news

1101
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,079
i don't know to what to the if the

1102
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:54,079
connection is still there remember

1103
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,040
they've started closed they've

1104
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,720
consolidated some of these papers the

1105
00:39:02,069 --> 00:38:58,320
weekly world news was shut down though

1106
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,079
it has a internet presence

1107
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:04,240
but for a good period there

1108
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,680
these were tools of the cia

1109
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,839
disinformation programs which is

1110
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,599
another matter that the american people

1111
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,280
need to address do they ever want that

1112
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:13,680
to happen again in the united states

1113
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,480
i encourage your listeners to check into

1114
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:18,800
a very important process that's going on

1115
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,960
it is a petition process operating out

1116
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:22,320
of the white house website

1117
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,470
the paradigm research group

1118
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,359
submitted a disclosure petition

1119
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,520
to this program it received enough votes

1120
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,280
to get a formal response from the white

1121
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,119
house and that came out on november the

1122
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,520
4th you can follow this at the

1123
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:41,440
information site which is disclosure

1124
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:44,880
petition dot info uh that response was

1125
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,800
the first formal position ever put in

1126
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,480
print by the executive branch of the

1127
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,240
united states government

1128
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,079
it claims that there is no evidence at

1129
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,800
all at all for non-human intelligence

1130
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,599
engaging the uh the earth the america

1131
00:40:00,870 --> 00:39:59,200
the human race

1132
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,880
this is a major project of paradigm

1133
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,880
research group and i can assure you

1134
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,079
we're going to be pursuing this

1135
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,599
intensely there's already been an

1136
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:06,960
international press release on this

1137
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,480
there will be much more

1138
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:09,760
there will be a new petition that will

1139
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:13,359
go up in a few weeks disclosure petition

1140
00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:14,319
2

1141
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,640
signatures for that in the meantime

1142
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,560
there is also another site i encourage

1143
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,800
you to go to uh paradigm research groups

1144
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,200
world worlddisclosureday.org

1145
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and endorse uh

1146
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the attempt to get july 8 designated as

1147
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world disclosure day or it is designated

1148
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as such

1149
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:36,079
to endorse this idea as a way of drawing

1150
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:37,119
attention to the issue

1151
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,839
worlddisclosureday.org

1152
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these are two important referenda that

1153
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,960
are out there

1154
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,599
for people to put their name behind

1155
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moving forward to get disclosure of the

1156
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ut presence uh finally done and i

1157
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,839
appreciate uh talking with you this

1158
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:54,400
evening great thank you so much and that

1159
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:56,960
was all very fascinating

1160
00:41:02,710 --> 00:40:59,040
and that was stephen bassett

1161
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,720
and below this podcast on the website

1162
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:04,800
podcastufo.com

1163
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,800
you will see two links one two paradigm

1164
00:41:13,109 --> 00:41:11,440
research group website and one to world

1165
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,119
disclosure day

1166
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,760
dot org is right below this podcast

1167
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,680
thank you for listening and i hope to

1168
00:41:21,069 --> 00:41:19,839
hear from you again our email address is

1169
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,079
info

1170
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podcastufo.com thanks a lot until next

1171
00:41:37,520 --> 00:42:05,450
so